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18:06:06

*18:06:06 From Jack Park* common book sounds like the Talmud

*18:08:29 From Eric Dobbs* https://wander.dbbs.co/commonplace-book.html https://meta.wiki.do/digital-gardening.html

18:14:11

*18:14:11 From Robert Sterbal* ID is so valuable to the incumbents it is hard to compete

18:20:12

*18:20:12 From Ralf* Unfortunately, I have to go. Eric Dobbs:👋🏼

18:24:37

*18:24:37 From Marc Pierson* Looking at Triple Bottom Line, I see that it is exactly the EIP Stage sketch.

*18:25:00 From Eric Dobbs* I was really hoping to connect Jim’s interest in triple bottom line and the EIP diagram.

*18:25:12 From Marc Pierson* https://eip.relocalizecreativity.net/view/welcome-visitors/view/recent-changes/view/eip-casual-intro

*18:25:23 From Robert Sterbal* The body count in the third world is in the hundreds of thousands

*18:25:36 From Peter* I just did a quick google to figure out WTF "Triple bottom line" meant -- came up with The Triple Bottom Line and Stabilization Wedges: A Framework for Perioperative Sustainability (James Choi, Catherine L Chen 2022-03-01): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9556165/

*18:25:37 From Robert Sterbal* It was TOTALLY unnecesarry

Don't kill people

It is a good metric

*18:26:22 From Zach Babb* health is a well-established economic externality

*18:26:37 From Robert Sterbal* People often have additional children to save existing children

EIP

*18:27:29 From Jack Park* benefits corporations move in the direction of triple bottom line

*18:27:32 From Marc Pierson* Jim, we use causal loop diagrams for most of our thinking—where only variables are allowed in the diagram.

*18:28:00 From Robert Sterbal* Replying to "benefits corporations move in the direction of tri...": Sadly governance of them is challenging

*18:28:22 From Jack Park* Replying to "benefits corporations move in the direction of tri...": but not impossible

*18:28:27 From Eric Dobbs* Jim mentioned Amory and Judy Lovins and the Rocky Mountain Institute when he was introducing triple bottom line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amory_Lovins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMI_(energy_organization)

*18:28:30 From Robert Sterbal* Replying to "benefits corporations move in the direction of tri...": what happens when someone buys the benefits corporation or a state passes a bad law regulating them

Replying to "benefits corporations move in the direction of tri...": Example, unions

*18:28:53 From Jim Boyd* Replying to "Jim, we use causal loop diagrams for most of our t...": I’d be interested in seeing that

*18:28:58 From Robert Sterbal* Replying to "benefits corporations move in the direction of tri...": Don't try to fix everything with technocratic solutions

*18:31:11 From Eric Dobbs* Refilling my coffee… still listening!

*18:31:22 From Jack Park* Replying to "Jim mentioned Amory and Judy Lovins and the Rocky ...": was married to Hunter

18:37:52

*18:37:52 From Jack Park* @Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by the chinooks. Eric Dobbs:😃

*18:39:18 From Robert Sterbal* Environmental Institutional P?

*18:40:40 From Robert Sterbal* Marc, can I make a recommendation?

*18:42:14 From Eric Dobbs* Replying to "@Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by...": When I created my first blog, I needed an icon so it would look like a web site. And I named the blog (with some intentional self-deprecation) “thin air”. So clouds over a mountain felt like a good representation. And I absolutely do live where there are chinooks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_wind

*18:43:59 From Marc Pierson* Yes Robert. What?

*18:44:07 From Robert Sterbal* Did you see the 12 billion in currency that disappeared in the middle east?

*18:44:19 From Marc Pierson* Yep

*18:44:19 From Jack Park* https://www.matthewsiu.com/pathfinder

*18:44:47 From Robert Sterbal* https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-jun-13-la-fg-missing-billions-20110613-story.html

That is very very cynical

18:48:05

*18:48:05 From Paul Rodwell* Replying to "@Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by...": A nice book about the Chinook Arch Project - Stalking the Mountain Wave, Ursula Wiese - http://cowley.soaringchampionships.ca/resources/StalkingTheMountainWave.pdf Jack Park:👍

*18:49:29 From Zach Babb* https://github.com/planet-nine-app/planet-nine

*18:49:42 From Eric Dobbs* Replying to "@Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by...": Thanks!

*18:49:58 From Jim Boyd* Replying to "https://github.com/planet-nine-app/planet-nine": +

*18:50:53 From Jack Park* Replying to "@Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by...": Yes, I recall reading abut soaring the chinook waves in Soaring magazine years ago.

*18:52:19 From Brian* Zach, food for thought for future discussion. I'd like to understand how _trust_ is established/confirmed across multiple identities. I'm thinking that trust is a function of _character_ and of _competence_. Character includes integrity, motive, and intention of people. Competence includes capabilities, skills, results, and track record. I'm quite intrigued by the concept and want to understand how it relates to those categories...and then do the cross check about how it can be exploited/manipulated/abused and see if there are enough checks to understand the complete cycle.

And if that is already in your blog, my apologies, and I'll do some reading.

18:55:40

*18:55:40 From Eric Dobbs* Jim, “The Matrix” is reference to a chat room: https://app.element.io/#/room/#fedwiki:matrix.org

18:58:38

*18:58:38 From Zach Babb* wiki.planetnineisaspaceship.com

oh it’s down again

*19:00:57 From Zach Babb* ok it’s back

*19:01:37 From Paul Rodwell* Replying to "@Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by...": Robert Whelan’s book Exploring the Monster is also a good book on the subject, flying out of Bishop CA, Ely NV, Sierra Wave Project, cloud seeding.

*19:03:01 From Jack Park* Replying to "@Eric Dobbs Your image looks like it’s inspired by...": I flew the sierra waves a long time back.

19:05:40

*19:05:40 From Brian* https://faq.wiki.oddly-influenced.dev/view/welcome-visitors/view/frequently-asked-questions is a FAQ that Brian Marick started as he was learning about FedWiki. If you have questions that aren't there, I'm sure he'd incorporate any questions you have.

19:14:59

*19:14:59 From Zach Babb* gotta jump Eric Dobbs:👋🏼

nice to meet you Jim! Jim Boyd:👍🏽

*19:16:07 From Jim Boyd* Replying to "nice to meet you Jim!": Thanks. Great to meet you.

*19:16:08 From Marc Pierson* https://eip.relocalizecreativity.net/view/welcome-visitors/view/eip-stage/view/eip-sketch

19:19:47

*19:19:47 From Brian* There is a plugin for it.

Pandoc can shell out to programs for fenced blocks, so basically supports lots of stuff.

*19:21:29 From Brian* Mermaid does a different sort of diagrams than a charting library or what graphviz does, so it complements the space nicely.

*19:23:21 From Brian* Pandoc filters can be written in Haskell, Lua, or Python, so pretty flexible.