Bot War

The current [started 2014-11-26] unacceptable battle of bots reminds me of two rams bashing their heads together.

--- Except it is at a much faster rate (former figure of 64 per second - incorrect)

If you find it too disruptive, I can turn off the Shark Bot. It is not my intent to use it against the wishes of the community; it is intended as a tool to protect the community.

Notably, it appears Manorainjan is only using a 'bot to assist in page (re)creation; it appears that each page has its own script that has to be invoked manually. Thus, it appears that Manorainjan is spending 12 or so hours per day essentially manually fighting against the Shark Bot. One can only imagine what possesses an individual to engage in such pointless futility.

{I don't think that is correct. At present (12/12/2014) the pages are being recreated every few minutes even though they are not being deleted. Any other edit rises like a bubble up the Recent Changes list as the other entries are recycled.}

Since I wrote the original text, it looks like Manorainjan has gone to a bit more effort to automate his 'bot. I've currently got the Shark Bot's auto-delete turned off, because there's no point in running it continuously against continuous page creation. And it's fascinating to watch; such an amazing amount of effort for nothing. It's not like the pages he created are serious content -- most of them would have been deleted or edited heavily by now even if he wasn't banned.

No, leave the Shark on continual patrol, circle a little wider, consuming more than one fish at a time.

Doesn't that accomplish what is needed?

I have made some changes.

It's curious how much Manorainjan's behaviour is like the infamous RA, whose interaction here was at least partly responsible for the introduction of the Edit Code Word. I wonder if they share personality characteristics. Apparently, in person, RA was highly affable and agreeable. It was only in front of a keyboard that he became a bully and an irritation, apparently convinced that his disruption was positive and would lead to some greater good. Of course, it wasn't and it didn't. He insisted he was a "righter of wrongs", but seemed utterly unable to recognise that the only "wrongs" were being done by him.

What is it about open wikis that attracts such people? Or are they no more attracted to open wikis than anything else, and it's just that there's enough of them around that we'll inevitably encounter one here every so often?

It is a commons area, like in school a hall or a playground, full of witnesses. And the teachers are about their business in their classrooms (except for the occasional hall-or-playground-monitor)

The characteristics and reasons are spelled out in: www.urbandojo.com

{Thank you for this. It does not however give any clues as to how to interact with someone who gives every sign of not having respect for the feelings of others, while at the same time declaring himself an expert in community and psychology.}

If he or she is, it might simply be an experiment to see if the Wiki Community Works. Testing such factors as ego satisfaction, challenge of authority, community cohesiveness, anger management, community resolve, attention and treatment of newcomers and new ideas, surviability and what is said at: the Tragedy Of The Commons Cant Happen Here and The Other Things. I doubt if this is what the signs of his/her actions and interations indicate, however we can use this Episode as if it were such an experiment to determine for ourselves. In any case, the wiki has survived other such episodes before, and it will eventually see an end to this one

[Yeah. I doubt this will end up measuring up to Grammar Vandal.]


To be honest, this is quite exciting (nearly amazing) incident (are phase or happening better words?). I might start thinking this is an advantage of a virtual world, where things can be created and destroyed many times over and over again without causing any noticeable permanent damage. You might say the distortion in the Recent Changes was quite a damage, but thanks to the Shark Bot it is no longer. Furthermore it even caused new (potentially more advanced) things to be created.

Since I am new myself (joined 2 years ago [as of 20141212]), I had no impression of how annoying an uncontrolled presence of such a being could be and how the community and the administration would act to keep the order. So I am kind of happy to gain that new experience (even though I am an observer who didn't contribute to the whole thing at all). So the appearance of such an incidents every now and then has something useful to the recently joined people.

On the extra page: I have got another convincing example for the ridiculousness of the self-proclaimed experts.

{One of the things which is not possible while Recent Changes is being changed so heavily is the routine activity of pruning Recent Changes and moving entries into the current file of Changes In Month - currently Changes In December Fourteen. The move of data can be made but Recent Changes cannot be edited by hand when it is changing rapidly. See Changes In Month Discussion.}


I would have been willing to let TheHardBanned talk except for CategoryNone but now that he has demonstrated true disrespect by not backing off even after Shark Bot did (at the request of me and some others although I can't say if because of), I too want him Hard Banned. -- Joshua Hudson


Responsibility: Now since You got me Hard Banned I can safely rely on that You got to revert every edit I do. In consequence I do not have any responsibility any more for my edits. I can do whatever. I do not need to worry about anything. You took full responsibility for my doings. Whole Wiki has become my Sand Box now Thank You ;-)

This statement on the wiki is FALSE. It is a statement of blackmail. We are all responsible for our actions even if it is believed that they are going to be reversed. -- John Fletcher

To give an example, repeated deletion of Recent Changes That Bypasses Edit War constitutes an Edit War.


Bot war appears to have ended sometime between 2014-12-15 and 2014-12-22. Hard to tell exactly when because it kept disappearing off of New Recent Changes faster than the normal timeout.

I think things were quiet by the 17th. It has now restarted on 23rd. He remains responsible for his actions, as we all are. I think it is a pity because some of the early contributions he made were in the spirit of this wiki. I am encouraged by the way the rest of us have been able to get on with contributing in our different ways. I believe that there is a community here. It is not the same one which was here earlier. It is a different community. -- John Fletcher


True, I have come to accept that arguments and differences with those who enjoy arguing is a lose/lose proposition and just encourages flames. -- Donald Noyes.20141224

See Botless Changes for temporary fix.

MH's activity has shifted:

he appears to be using a proxy in Germany

for possible details, you might consult:

This is annoying. Can't we block him based on IP ranges?

{Historically, blocking on IP ranges has not worked well, for various reasons. -- Dave Voorhis}

I hope there is plenty of space on the fileserver. The delete from Recent Changes this morning was about 250,000 bytes of rubbish. -- John Fletcher

{I've sent a message to Ward. It's starting to look like Code Word time. -- Dave Voorhis}


This wiki is now the subject of an endurance test, as explained on Dolphin Script News. It is an abuse to use a general facility for testing without the consent of the community involved. Testing should be applied to a test facility so that it does not inconvenience others. -- John Fletcher




See original on c2.com