**Meta** (JM): I'm planning to switch away from Sunday Explorers in favor of Ted Young's book discussion group, since their topic is going to be Felienne Hermans' book The Programmer's Brain, about use of working memory and reduction of cognitive load. starting 2024-02-11.
**Meta** (JM): If you would like to upload transcripts, fork the Typescript Archive and Typescript Transcripts page and follow the how-to in the Archive page on uploading Zoom chat transcripts and processing them into FedWiki pages like Typescript 2024-01-28. Maybe you'd like to tinker with the frame scripts.
Topics included sustainable software, the oldest program people had written which would still run, the evolution of software ecosystems in program-breaking ways (e.g. Python ActivePapers, recently ceased development because the runtime breaks at multiple levels through the stack with version updates). Eric Dobbs' interactive vanishing point app in SVG+JS an early application that still runs; other folks' recollection of Centigrade to Fahrenheit conversion. What decisions for Federated Wiki help keep it runnable or usable?
A discussion about mobile apps and the forces around their development cycles, why they are attractive on the face of it ("engagement" as a desirable measurable quantity) despite fragility and treadmill of updates and exclusion of many mobile device users; progressive web apps; app stores, curation, Apple's walled garden; Dart and Flutter as Google's attempt to steer away from some of the treadmill aspects.
A discussion and demonstration and update from Marc on using a large Miro board to collect panels relevant to using the EIP Ecology / Institutions / Politics framework related to a mining project at the Queen Creek headwaters near Superior, Arizona; discussions about sustainable economics and long-term orientation; create working examples sooner rather than later so there's less pain in transition away from runaway growth cycles.