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Ward Cunningham (@WardCunningham) Can federated wiki explain itself? What is so hard to understand? We'll contemplate this and other questions in our weekly video chat starting in 15 minutes. https://zoom.us/j/818108478
# Discussion
- Mike Caulfield's continuing work, my guess (I arrived late) building on it. - Eric serverless assets plug-in using Glitch for dot wiki (.wiki) - NPM and domain squatters (node2nix)
# Chat
From ChrisGebhardt to Everyone: (10:34 AM) Early draft of my effort to distill some related principles.. https://infocentral.org/drafts/PrinciplesDraft.html From duke to Everyone: (10:35 AM) future is about meaning, not data -Alan Kay From daviding to Everyone: (10:38 AM) I’ve had a lot of experience with Wikipedia philsophies amongst editors. See the variety at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Wikipedia/Editing_philosophy . Wrangling with a exclusionist is a challenge. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Exclusionism From duke to Everyone: (10:40 AM) stephen-laporte YES please From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (10:40 AM) Pete mentioned https://twitter.com/ReaderMeter as a good person to follow From Mark Windholtz to Everyone: (10:45 AM) Thanks everyone for an interesting conversation. I’ve got to run now though. Cheers. From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (10:46 AM) Thanks for joining us. From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:47 AM) We need to expand this to media outlets by county This works ok for consumers but not good for broadcasters like small political campaigns From daviding to Everyone: (10:48 AM) Pete explains why we need to create a better Federated Wiki page on Wikipedia. The current search goes to an obsolete Smallest Federated Wiki page. From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:48 AM) Good idea daviding! From duke to Everyone: (10:48 AM) do any extensions make unvetted/untrusted info light grey black/white while vetted trusted info in living color? From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:48 AM) we will need secondary source coverage of the project. please use bitnami stacks for that From duke to Everyone: (10:49 AM) thank you eric!!!! From daviding to Everyone: (10:50 AM) The other day, I went to Eric’s wiki Glitch page, and the machine was spun down. It took less than 30 seconds to spin up, which was clear to the user. From Pete to Everyone: (10:51 AM) Here's a Google Doc overview of the project to measure progress in Wikipedia articles ("PaceTrack"): Google doc on measurement tool: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y7958NV2VyEiA0UTV0wEsg5dDtFwC2ByQuW35DGT2D0/edit?usp=sharing From Pete to Everyone: (10:54 AM) Hi Robert! CAtching up on the chat above. Happy to discuss expanding the project. THere are several vectors people have talked about...off the top of my head...some want to expand to other languages and countries. Some want, as you say, to expand to non-newspaper media. Some are most interested in the educational aspects of the project, and not dedicated to news media as a subject area at all. Some would rather focus on Wikidata instead of Wikipedia. I think they're all good ideas, and that we should be somewhat aware of scope creep, and probably seek out funding (and what funding is available might narrow the possibilities a bit). From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:56 AM) I understand you just want to increase the number of newspapers wikipages that have been completed sufficiently to be consumed by google. From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:56 AM) are you measuring the weekly/monthly progress? From Pete to Everyone: (10:58 AM) Robert, there will be an overall progress report -- June to December -- but probably not more granular than that (as yet). It's mostly being done manually at this point, but I'm now pretty hopeful that PaceTrack will make granular measurement possible in the near future. From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:58 AM) Teams From Pete to Everyone: (10:59 AM) Also -- that goal of "consumed by Google" is an important starting point for our project, but I do think we're all interested in expanding the scope in various ways! It opens a big, interesting, worthwhile world of opportunities... From daviding to Everyone: (10:59 AM) (Wow, had a dropout, and had to reconnect. Chats in zoom.us aren’t preserved, so latecomers miss). From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:00 AM) Just publish what you can in less than 10 minutes. Maybe document how you do it? From ChrisGebhardt to Everyone: (11:01 AM) gotta run.. busy day From Pete to Everyone: (11:01 AM) Robert, I'm not following -- off the top of my head, I"d say we've probably created about 300 new articles (but I could easily be off by 100 or so) From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (11:01 AM) Bye Chris. From duke to Everyone: (11:01 AM) domainsquatting node2nix ? From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (11:03 AM) https://nixos.org/nix/ https://github.com/svanderburg/node2nix From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:04 AM) You are making great progress. Initally I thought you were ranking the papers and I took you down the wrong rabbit hole. I hope to pay more attention to this now that the midterm elections are over. can someone email me a link to the transcript of today's meeting chat? robert@sterbal.com From Pete to Everyone: (11:06 AM) Thanks Robert, happy to chat again if you want to get into more details. From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:06 AM) that would be great Pete From Pete to Everyone: (11:07 AM) Oh, and for the group -- here is my blog, where I'll have posts about the Wikipedia/WikiCite/newspapers stuff I was talking about: wikistrategies.net/blog From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:07 AM) Did Yaron put you on his podcast yet? From Me to Everyone: (11:08 AM) Todays notes, not transcript http://clive.tries.fed.wiki/view/wiki-devuser-video-chat-dec-12 From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:08 AM) Thanks Clive! From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:11 AM) It should be easy to create a clone of your existing machine and test the updates on the clone Thanks as always for your chat! From Paul to Everyone: (11:11 AM) I add the earlier note in a while - https://forage.rodwell.me/wiki-devuser-video-chat-dec-12.html
From Pete to Everyone: (11:15 AM) Robert, I haven't reached out to Yaron, but thanks for the reminder. From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (11:16 AM) https://github.com/haskell-nix/hnix From Lancelot to Everyone: (11:17 AM) Thoughts about computer technologies: Cheap Docker images with Nix http://lethalman.blogspot.com/2016/04/cheap-docker-images-with-nix_15.html From Me to Everyone: (11:19 AM) Chrome OS is implementing Linux apps, should be very useful for light dev productivity: Canonical is Android. From Nima Johari to Everyone: (11:20 AM) Thumbs up for self-contained binaries From daviding to Everyone: (11:20 AM) Do we have any UI people out there, who might tackle the smartphone/tablet swipe question?
From Pete to Everyone: (11:23 AM) https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript
From duke to Everyone: (11:23 AM) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7605687 hn reply