Wiki pages devoted to Wiki, its nature, form and postulated future development.
I think [taking meta-discussion to] Meatball Wiki is useful for the evolution of Wiki. This reconciles opponents of Wiki On Wiki in Wards Wiki with proponents of Wiki meta-discussion. -- Fridemar Pache[, Earle Martin]
Wiki On Wiki, rather than an Informal History Of Programming Ideas, Considered Harmful.
I don't see them as harmful, rather I see them perform the same function that Coding Standards do for Extreme Programming - namely make the Wiki more uniform and easy to follow. They are necessary, but should be kept as simple and straightforward as possible. Plain English is an excellent idea.
It's interesting to note that this is a Wiki On Wiki page.
Or perhaps Wiki On Wiki On Wiki, or even Wiki On Wiki On Wiki On Wiki.
Wiki Weighted Vote moved from Wiki Proposals. -- Richard Drake
[] 0.83 in 6 Increased level of Wiki On Wiki too vague to be useful?
I put 4 here, because discussions like Plain English enhance Wiki, in my opinion. There are many other noisier topics than Wiki On Wiki. -- Anonymous Donor
I put 0, because such discussions easily transform wiki into a self-referential medium (like television sometimes). I don't mind about pages like Plain English, but I think there is definitely too much discussion going on about such secondary items. -- Manfred Schaefer
As the original 'spokesman', I agree with Richard that Plain English helps. I also sympathize with Manfred because I'm tired of Wiki On Wiki discussion in many ways. -- Richard Drake
When meta-discussion of a forum itself goes from being one topic among many to being the primary activity, the forum loses any real purpose. This may be happening to Advo Gato.
On the other hand, it is useful to see how suitable a forum is for discussing itself, just as it is useful to see how languages and programming systems are able to describe themselves.
As an example, from another page:
I've refactored this page. If any feels that it's worth restoring, email me and I can send you a copy. -- Shae Erisson
It looks more expunged than refactored. The page seemed silly to me, but not offensive, and it wasn't an accidental Wiki Wiki Sandbox, so why remove its contents? I think it'd be gentler to wait a while and see if its authors take it anywhere before thinking about doing a content-ectomy on it.
On the other hand, I just saw what one of these characters put on People Index. I understand now why you thought a content-ectomy was a good idea. -- Wayne Conrad
Yes, that's why. I left their homepages as an act of hope. -- Shae Erisson
Good call, then. I don't want that kind of talk on Wiki Wiki. -- Wayne Conrad
And, oh great one, you get to choose because...?
''Everyone gets to choose, because that's the way Wiki was built. Anyone can edit a page, and no-one can stop them. But this is veering dangerously close to Wiki On Wiki, so I think I'll stop.''
Very wise. The inconsistency with what is said elsewhere could do real credibility damage. There is no semantic connection between a content-ectomy and page reduction. None at all. This page is not one of those ghastly Wiki On Wiki discussions. Guys like Michael Plump are lucky any of their words were kept at all in fact. Is that absolutely clear?
I'm confused. How is it inconsistent?
I felt no uncertainty that deleting that text on People Index was a good idea for Wiki. I believe that the text which offended me would offend most of Wiki's users. Shae deleted the text and I concurred. We acted on Wiki's behalf, but we made the call. I think it was a good one.
Deleting the text that was on this page was a less obvious call. I don't remember exactly what was here, but I don't remember it being offensive unless coupled with the People Index text. At the time I felt it was a good idea to prune this page - Like pulling the roots of the plant, I guess. I'd be prepared to discuss whether or not we were right to delete the text of this page. But I am certain we were right to remove the text on People Index.
++Dangerous VEERing is right, but not in the direction claimed... I think I would like the opportunity, as a latecomer to this particular discussion archive, to read what has been posted. Why can't it be commented on, inserted into, appended, amended, accentuated, diminished? ...but deleted?...! True, deleting is a component of the editing process, but please don't do it in the interest of PROTECTing other members of the community from being offended... haven't we had our fill of that particular style of editing yet?++
If you would like the People Index text to appear on Wiki, why not put it on your Wiki Home Page and see how Wiki responds to it? Most Wiki pages are a collaborative effort that reflect on all of us. Since your Wiki Home Page reflects directly on you, Wiki may be more tolerant of what appears there than it is of what appears on other pages. It would also give everyone an opportunity to see what we removed and comment on whether or not we were out of line. -- Wayne Conrad
As one of the people who instigated this whole fiasco, I support Wayne's decision. Michael and I created this Wiki Page with the belief that it would, basically, never be found. It was before I knew about Recent Changes and before I understood what was really going on here. I really like Wiki, and I'm sorry my Co Worker and I made such a poor debut. -- Robert Church
Yeah. If you really wanna know what I wrote on the People Index, I had listed my name under "People who sell crack to kids". That, of course, bring a reference to a 2Pac song. In retrospect, perhaps a Black Tar Heroin reference would've been better. Regardless, I also support your decision to remove it. I guess I don't really understand why you decided to scribble all over Gangsta Geeks, but that's kinda beside the point, and I don't really care, anyway. No worries. In the future, I promise to behave. -- Michael Plump
The scribbling comes from another wiki citizen noticing that I edited this page immediately after it happened and doing a reality check. -- Shae Erisson
I'd be happy for this page to go back to where its founders started it. I'm extremely happy that the page's founders wear white hats. No worries here. -- Wayne Conrad
shifted from Civility Patterns
Maybe there's a better place on wiki for the following remarks (Wiki Civility perhaps, whoever had the idea of generalizing away from wiki above, well done!), but one thing that peeves me a little on wiki is when people shove their discussion or opinions right inside of or next to some fairly readable text.
My preference is to see the source fragment for some remark to be repeated near the bottom of the page, and the new material being appended.
So the idea is to have respect for any existing layout and readability.
Especially stuff near the top of the page inside a patternish style of bold headings.
Also, doesn't it annoy someone else as well, when either laziness or a need to alert the community lets some people think its OK to append right at the top of some page, forcing the original definition further and further down the page when these insertions become contentious, as they often do.
++i firmly reserve the right to insert and displace, to mingle disrupt and participate++in whatever style feels fitting++
Yes, inserting into the middle is rude and disrupts the page. The best response is to quietly edit the page yourself, making the result exactly as the other person should have done in the first place. See also clublet.com 
and Teach Wiki Technique By Editing.
See also Palm Wiki, Wiki Wiki Email List
See original on c2.com